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Mark Ogden: “Mourinho and now Guardiola talking down the League Cup. It’s an outdated competition and time to ask if it is actually needed.”

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Mark Ogden: “Mourinho and now Guardiola talking down the League Cup. It’s an outdated competition and time to ask if it is actually needed.”

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49 Comments

  1. WeNeedToG0Back

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I agree its a pretty shit trophy but Mourinho/Guardiola talking it down should have no bearing on anything

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  2. Sportfreunde

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    This is a non-issue. These big teams all have a big enough bench plus youth academies and reserve teams and/or U-23 teams or whatever. They can easily field a side for this without needing to play their top players.

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  3. TheAwakened

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    IMO, only the teams that are not in Europe should be in it. It’s barely a level above the Charity Shield, but potentially has 6 (or 5?) extra games if a team reaches the final on top of a hectic schedule in a country that already doesn’t have a winter break. I mean, a two legged mid-week semi-final? Fuck off!

    Would definitely help teams that are in Europe too, with more days for rest, and will also level the playing field by giving more games to teams that don’t have any European games. I remember Southampton having 15 extra rest days while United played 3 games before their EFL Cup final last year – really unfair IMO.

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  4. Boshva

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Totally agree. Klopp of course knew it in before. That is why we lost! /s

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  5. Cool_Lagoon

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Probably a crazy idea, but what if it was an English cup? Where only English players could play? That way young talents get a chance and the cup can still matter.

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  6. Icantrememberlogins

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Why not keep the competition in more or less the same format. Just disqualify all teams in CL/EL, or only allow them to enter their U-21’s or something. Busy clubs already in multiple competitions have less games to play, and little clubs keep the opportunity to sell tickets. Win win.

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  7. essdotc

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    The cup is an excellent way to give your fringe players and youth some games if you have a decent enough run. I hope it stays.

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  8. drunkwithanxiety

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Kill the two-legged semi-finals, first. Then we’ll talk.

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  9. johncenatbh

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Mourinho loves the League Cup

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  10. btfoom15

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Then what does Liverpool have left to play for???

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  11. theglasscase

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    If you scrapped the League Cup and played one or two rounds of Premier League fixtures in the freed up midweeks, it would be much easier to introduce a winter break in English football. You could even play the 3rd round of the FA Cup earlier to make room for that break in the first two weeks of January.

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  12. IHateMyWifesBF

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Just make it optional so all these managers who proclaim to hate it that much can pull out. We’ll see how many actually do though.

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  13. JoeyBulgaria

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Our fan base seemed to really enjoy the League Cup run last year, the Wembley trip was really a great occasion. Not only that, but we also got to see an academy lad score his first senior goal and celebrate with some guys he’s been playing with since he was 10.

    I get the fixture congestion and all that, but it’s a great occasion for moments like Musonda’s first senior goal playing alongside Hazard, who’s been playing for Chelsea and Belgium since he was 15.

    If top clubs don’t care about it, play the kids and let them get a run out.

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  14. must_touch_flesh

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Everyone coming up with solutions to fix the competition, but ignoring the question. ‘Is it needed?’ No, I don’t think it is. We have a domestic cup competition. Why do we need two? English football is completely over-saturated with matches of teams in the top 5 divisions. I feel it’s even detracting from the value of the FA Cup by it’s coexistence.

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  15. Spillsthebeans

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Its a really strange situation. Im sure the money coming in from it is not even that much of an incentive given the fact that it tightens the schedule and disadvantages PL teams on the European level.

    Im sure it wont last more than a couple more years.

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  16. Vladimir_Putting

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Poch was getting shit on for saying the cup wasn’t a big priority for us a few days ago.

    Now?

    Yeah, Mou and Pep are right, it’s outdated, unimportant and not needed. Just play youth players.

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  17. daveofreckoning

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Mourinho is bull shitting, and Guardiola hasn’t earned the right to slag it off yet

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  18. irrenhouse

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    But my treble?

    Seriously, Mourinho loves winning the league cup, he is just talking bollocks. He would have played the kids if he didn’t.

    Don’t know what Guardiola’s deal is.

    Care about the league cup if you want, or don’t and play the kids. Regardless, it is a shot at silverware for a lot of clubs that would be unlikely to win something else.

    Ask Southampton if they want the League Cup scrapped, not the Manchester clubs.

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  19. ziggylcd12

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I think if it was just the championship and below, with the JPT or whatever it’s called also abolished, it’d be a great cup to compete in. Maybe have the national league/conference in it instead of the premier league. Just almost no clubs lower than premier league standard can even compete with United/Chelsea/City’s second team. Whereas a league two club would have a much better chance if the top teams in it were Leeds, Wolves, QPR etc

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  20. danny321eu98

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Tbh i think it would best just to take the european teams out of the comp and have the other teams compete. But that would never happen fr obv reasons

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  21. smig_

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Play the League Cup during the billion International breaks we get, it feels like we just had one and there’s another in a couple of weeks. According to the big teams with loads of international players, the cup is pointless anyway so they can just play their reserves, makes no difference to them. The teams that will take it seriously will have fewer players away for internationals so they can field fairly full strength sides and still get an opportunity for silverware. Make the draws well in advance with multiple rounds at a time so teams know roughly who they’ll have to play to allow for plans to be put in place.

    No more “pointless” midweek games and no more boring International breaks for those of us who aren’t fussed about the National Team when there’s no club football and any momentum teams build up can be continued through the Cups rather than halt after only a few games.

    EG – Round 1 stays where it is, it’s fine at the beginning of August.
    Rounds 2 and 3 are played in the September International Break (This year it was between 28th August – 6th September ish), say on a Thursday then a Tuesday. Rounds 4 and the QF in the next International Break (~ 3rd – 11th October). Both Semi Final Legs can take place during the November break and the Final stays in February. All that with not much disruption to the fixture list and allow teams to have more rest time between League fixtures.

    Either that or move International fixtures to one big block in say January or June so domestic games don’t have to be crammed into three-week chunks constantly.

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  22. margaerytyrellscleav

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I think we should keep it. It’s a shame bigger clubs don’t take it more seriously, so that diminishes the honour a little bit, but it’s the only thing many clubs have a hope of winning. No one is forcing clubs to take it seriously if they don’t want to so what’s the problem? Also, I’d happily admit I’d rather Newcastle won the league cup than England won anything, that’s how much even a small trophy would mean to some fans.

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  23. ahp327

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Throw more money into it, stop giving it mickey-mouse sponsorship names, and people might take it seriously.

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  24. mattcollins84

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Speaking as a fan of a team not in the elite group of 4 or 5 teams – this is nonsense. Let’s scrap a whole tournament so that the best teams have a better chance to be successful. Piss right off.

    I’m so sorry that you’re so successful that you have too many games. Boo fucking hoo. If you don’t care about it, play your youth players.

    This is the best way, for a lot of teams, to actually win something. As a fan of a team that has only ever won the league cup – that was an amazing day. And set-up the beginning of an amazing couple of seasons.

    I’m sure any team outside of the top 6 will love to have a proper go at winning it. I’m sure the fans would too. Football is about more than just what José or Pep care about. Fuck them, I hate this shit.

    If you play too many games and travel too much, maybe do your preseason in Manchester? Oh what’s that? You couldn’t hear me over the bags of dollars falling on your head? Figures.

    I can’t wait for the bubble to burst in football.

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  25. OldBoyDM

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Its easy to say that when your teams are competing for the PL trophy and the champions league. But smaller clubs pretty much only have a hope of winning the FA cup.

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  26. cptainvimes

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Yes it’s needed. When small teams draw big teams they get huge money and often it saves them from bankruptcy.

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  27. GRI23

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Fuck off mate, League Cup is the best competition.

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  28. CheloniaMydas

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    It is a waste of space

    We already have the FA cup, that should be the cup competition, we don’t need another

    It’s removal frees up a little bit of space for fixtures or “break weekends” (rather than mid winter breaks etc)

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  29. TosspoTo

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I didn’t hear Mourinho complaining last season when he wanted to win it.

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  30. mciej

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Competitions should be judged on their own merit, not on whether they fit into Guardiola’s career goals.

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  31. Ephemeral-Throwaway

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I’ve always taken the League Cup seriously and everyone should. I hate this bullshit talk.

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  32. Cirahino

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    If that’s the case why not just play the youth team in it? Would give players good minutes at a decent level and allow the starting 11 to be refreshed for the league/champions league. Both teams have a load of players waiting for starting spots

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  33. Rudi_Reifenstecher

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I mean, if you don’t rate it, just play your reserves or something, where’s the problem ?

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  34. DTGG

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I don’t care about the league cup but I still watch every match because I just like seeing young players or even squad members who usually don’t get a chance. It could be handheld better and it definitely doesn’t help with the already ridiculous PL and european schedule, but I wouldn’t get rid of it.

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  35. ars61157

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    People debate it’s (f)utility every year Mark..

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  36. DelTrotter

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    It doesn’t have a romance about it like the FA Cup. I liked it when it was the Coca Cola Cup but I was also a dumb little kid at the time. In the past when we had a bad season but won this it was used to hide over the cracks.

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  37. NastyFilthyHobbitses

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Play the kids then if you don’t like it! I personally enjoy watching the League Cup matches to see the youngsters given a chance.

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  38. MikeTheAverageReddit

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    It’s not there for the huge teams, let the smaller ones have a chance of playing the big ones & getting the revenue from them fixtures, everything isn’t always about the top of the food chain.

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  39. NewarkWilder

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Of course, because only the opinion of the big clubs is important. Nothing must be allowed to interfere with what they want.

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  40. internethjaelten

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I dont get it, just play reserves.

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  41. Kash44

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    It is needed as many fans of big teams who don’t normally get to go to games have the chance to watch their team in this cup. It also gives a chance to play youth players who need first team experience.

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  42. GunstarGreen

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    I don’t see the problem. Ask United fans last year whether they’d give up that trophy or not. The bigger clubs are more than well stocked enough to play their fringe players, and midtable clubs have a good shot at a trophy and Europena football. Yeah, it’s the poor cousin of the FA Cup, but at least there are no replays, its all in midweek, and its over before the important stuff in the league starts happening.

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  43. Weaksidewing

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    With all we know now about the importance of sleep, rest and recovery in extending careers, preventing injury and actual performance, it’s worth having a serious conversation about retiring that competition. Especially considering how some teams could theoretically be competing in four competitions, increasing injuries and shortening careers.

    Though it begs the question why managers talking it down is the reason this would gain traction, and not these very real ones I mention above

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  44. rchaud

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Why don’t they just play the younger players or English squad-fillers who will never, ever get a whiff of PL/CL action outside of a 87th minute substitution? Guardiola and Mourinho probably don’t even need to be there, just send the assistant coach.

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  45. irich

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    It’s odd that Mourinho is talking it down. He always seems to take it seriously. Last night’s team was a pretty strong one. And, as someone on Football Weekly mentioned, he likes it because it is the first trophy of the season and it fosters a winning mentality.

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  46. TheLonelyDevil91

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Its a pointless cup for any top 8 teams however for the rest if they win they get a EL spot from it. Is it unfair to scrap this cup for non top 8 teams to have a chance to play in Europe? Also if Mou and Pep is moaning about it put out a fuckin reserve team if you dont care about the cup.

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  47. drwert

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    The League Cup has always been a third rate competition. It’s a waste of time and should be killed. The FA Cup is quite sufficient.

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  48. Bey_Harbor_Butcher

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

    The league cup is old, boring and outdated. The bigger clubs don’t take it seriously.

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  49. Anonymous

    September 24, 2017 at 10:58 am

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